Anker Community Profile - Hidden / Open-Public Profile for Auction Events!

#61

Awesome suggestion there :point_up:

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#62

How do you punish a burner account?

866988 users

Only let levels 7+ bid? Something to lose?

The mods cannot be expected to solve this, they have day jobs.

The Admin can do some things. For example they can make a thread where hidden profiles cannot even reply, so those who choose to hide profiles cannot even enter an auction. In fact I could probably set that up, doesn’t look tricky.

Fair? Hidden profile users cannot participate in auctions? These look equally easy, Admins can make threads hidden profile users cannot reply within (no moderator effort) and users can remove the hidden profile (no moderator effort). All other options look too much effort and not worthwhile.

#63

Well even though there are that many users in the forum, we know only about 30 people (give or take) are the ones who participate in the auction. So the mod or whoever can read the thread and decide who was overbidding.

That could work too

#64

Inflating just for fun is 100% okay. The problem is if you inflate, but don’t have the bucks to back it up in case you get dumped with the bid.

#65

Inflating just for fun… It is not fun, draining someone else’s PB :roll_eyes:…

but again, that is a price to pay if someone really needs the auction item… Have to live with it :man_facepalming:

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#66

It’s all in the strategy. This gives you a higher chance of being able to beat them next time, as well as a higher chance In the powerdraw :man_shrugging:.

That being said, if you’re trying to have “fun”, then you could still get bitten if the other bidder drops it on you.

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#67

Well, if it is something good I would probably spend all my powerbucks on it instead of low probability giveaways.

And I would lose, because realistically a few people on here have two or more times the number I do. But I wouldn’t be pushing the price up, just offering to pay what I think it is worth.

#68

While that’s not against the rules, that’s something I personally wouldn’t do.
But just as you have the right to inflate it for fun even when you have the bucks, others have the right to keep their bucks hidden

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#69

Yep…not to mention we can’t see the contents of hidden profiles anyhow :wink:

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#70

I’m the owner of another forum and a moderator of another forum. Mods have effectively edit capability but only owner can set the rules. Like judges are setting the law and moderator is policing.

In one case we had some profile hidden and I was not as owner going to “out” people so I created a new forum, I copied all the non-hidden members to it, set it to not allowing private profile and told the private member’s they can be left alone or join the other. I lost about 10% membership.

The discourse platform allows profiles to be hidden, it’s a feature which came in when they designed this forum a couple of years ago. As they didn’t disable the private profile we are where we are.

If you’re wondering why private profile exist is it allows for single sign-on (SSO) across different forums with someone being selectively deciding privacy per forum. Anker has set separate sign-in per forum. So there was no need to allow private really as folks can simply create a user per forum and not put anything in each of them.

There is a workaround for that but remembering how people don’t like their privacy revealed it’s best to not allow a bidding thread with hidden profile. Admins can do that

#71

No because inflating for fun doesn’t allow you to cheat. Having your profile hidden allows you to cheat.

This concept is so incredibly simple, I don’t get how you all don’t understand? Unless you have bad intentions, and don’t want a new rule passed…

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#72

So the basic premise of Powerbucks was to reward effort in giving to the community, some of us contributed to the structure of it to not reward bad behaviour. So hence the evenly spread out small bucks rewards with daily caps to stop the “great review!” One liner bucks harvesting.

That meant good behaviour could get the odd win at Powerdraw or Auction.

The problem with Powerdraw is the thousands of members who get to bid based on simply showing up drowns out the few who put in the effort.

So auctions squeeze out the non-rewarded, they get outbid, so as been said already it’s a battle of a few members.

Those who hide their profile have already stated they deliberately intend to use it to unfair advantage, and yet claim it is fair.

Entitlement to opinion is not the same as entitlement to utter contradiction.

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#73

Wow… exhausted to read all the comments posted since I last visited :sleeping:
But all good spirit, debate, input and suggestions. This will definitely help the members and community in the long run.

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#74

I have no problem if a new rule gets passed and we are forced to show our powerbucks :+1: in the meantime I’m allowed to keep them hidden

#75

The auctions are rare enough, and usually nice enough, that there always seem to be multiple people willing to spend all of their powerbucks on it. So it always seems to come down to who has more.

If they happened more often, for cables, etc, then the strategy of drawing someone else’s bucks down might be relevant. But right now one person out of the many on here uses a good percentage of their bucks on it a few times a year, really doesn’t make a huge difference to how many are available out there overall.

And I am happy to change my profile to visible to participate in an auction. I think that is reasonable as long as the rules apply to all participants.

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#76

I consider PowerBucks be treated like how cash would be treated, would anyone keep their total cash value publicly shown (exceptions apply such as Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates,… )

@AnkerOfficial Some recommendations –

  1. Keep everything Public on a profile, except keep the PowerBucks Hidden,

  2. Inspired by my post and @paulstevenewing post here Have application on Anker Community to check / allow members to bid… no questions asked here!

This effectively solves all the questions and concerns of over-bidding, less work for Admin / Mods, fair play for everyone!

#77

So you think fraud laws should be abandoned?

Is it ok for a prospective candidate seeking to be voted to office to not be required to show how much funding they have from backers?

Is it ok for someone in power to have an undocumented amount of funding from those who profit from their decisions?

Cash, hidden, in a public auction is the same moral argument as crooked politicians.

Or another example, cash can be private, but not when you seek a loan.

So it is not the cash level privacy, it is the cash level when participating in a public statement which ties back to cash.

So what you are arguing is someone can:

  • seek to be the winner of an election (win an Auction)
  • where some declare their backers (public profile)
  • some do not declare their backers (private profile)
  • where some can lie they have lots of backers (burner accounts, over-bid non-held bucks)
  • where some can lie they have no backers (private profile)
  • where when the winner is deided (won an auction)
  • then an undocumented official checks if it was legitimately won (moderator checks for all actual bucks held)
  • and for this to be accepted as a fair election (fair way to run an auction).
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#78

So are we saying that pretty much every auction that has and currently exist (inside and outside this forum) is wrong?

Are we moving away from being nosey and wanting to know how many PBs others have or are we looking to change the way auctions work globally?

#79

No.

Once there were profiles, everyone public. Then there are auctions, all equal just differing in bucks and their wish to win the item.

Then profiles were allowed to be private.

Then any auctions after that (very few, I think around the zero to 1 level). So its only really fairness of the next auction, not past auctions.

And as agreed, this is not about winning, but fairness, is totally abstract as I’d probably not bid in an auction anyway, but I’d want the winner to win fairly. That’s all. So principals, not wanting to alter to myself winning.

#80

READ these 2 recommendations FIRST

NO For Real Life there are Govt agencies to look at it, we don’t want any other Tom Dick Harry knowing what is in my Bank Account

For Anker Community, there is Ankerofficial on the community to know my powerbuck, it is nobody else’s business!

NO There are checks for candidates per the Law which is a bit tedious, similarly, there similar checks are possible on Anker Community, it is equally tedious – but mind it - it is not Impossible!

There are Govt Agencies to look into it, It is the people who choose such crooked politicians the first place, so I will not get into a political debate, there are methods to overcome… simply do one way to show all the income and audit – similar to what I have mentioned in the steps above
Since you keep bringing up politician - can you go and tell them my recommendation here :wink:
If not - then please do not bring up the politician and political debate here on the community… PLEASE!!

There are Govt Agencies to look into it, It is the people who choose such crooked politicians the first place, so I will not get into a political debate, there are methods to overcome… simply do one way to show all the income and audit – similar to what I have mentioned in the steps above

There are means and ways to be done, follow the proper steps - in Anker Community - the easisest it to setup the recommendations, let the system decide who has how many bucks and who is eligible to bid. I will not comment any more on any of your political statements, and also advice you not to make such statement, to have sanity of this community, please!

One last thing… please don’t make so many edits, i had to go check and edit my responses multiple times :rofl: