Place Your Bets: Will iPhone 8 Succeed?

Upgrading is not innovating.

“Free blotter paper with every fountain pen” is not innovation.

well there are a multiple law suits from apple on samsung and vice versa. I am not anti-samsung, but samsung never had metal body and these video there are a multiple on youtube, playing the blame game.

Here another one blaming samsung.!!

I am pro android user but I feel I need to speak for the other camp for a moment as not too many are willing.

Apple pro.-- You guys have a much easier time shopping for a phone. I am spending months trying to decide which android to buy next and I keep flipping back and forth.

Apple pro-- I am told that the encryption is much better on the Apple. I don’t have the facts as to why but my wife’s droid got hacked one month ago and her visa was hit for $3000 so I started to look into it.

Apple pro-- When I go to the store they have so many accessories to choose from for one phone even if it’s the old model. When I look for accessories for my 4 year old HTC, good luck!

Apple con. like shopping for clothes for your kid. you get the “everyone in my class has one” pressure to buy it and update it.

SMILE Apple users my 17 year old son is with you! :wink:

Pro innovation and good value.

If Apple innovated and was good value then I’d be saying it.

I do often ask iPhone users why and I only hear inertial answers “tried Android didn’t like” which is because interface is different, and the only other answer is vagueness “I just like it”. I had one person mention 1 app they liked which was only on Apple, so that was only single valid opinion I ever heard.

You see the problem. I just stated it. There are simply apple fans who don’t have a valid objective reason why. If it were priced similar then it would then be just a styling preference which is fine, but to pay basically double the price, there is no defensible position for that.

In tablets it is a different balance, in that Android apps are more commonly optimized for portrait not landscape and the useful space in landscape on Android is more often inferior, so as you get into larger tablets the argument swings somewhat to more evenly balanced Android vs IOS. Also the price difference for similar build quality is narrower.

As you said you don’t know why. Encryption is irrelevant here, because the OS decrypts the data so hacking by malware app is impossible to be thwarted by encryption. Encryption only helps if the phone is locked and you cannot access the data without unlocking. Most common reasons: downloaded and installed an app with a backdoor, or went to a website which was hacked and used your card there (so not phone related). To prevent such issues is not to do with the OS, you can do those same dubious things on any OS, like Windoze.

Personally I think it will succeed, @ndalby is right about people not choosing to upgrade, but not everyone jumped to the iPhone 7, I have been waiting for the new iPhone because its the 10 year anniversary. Also everyone is already excited since the name “iPhone 8” is what everyone calls it. Apple makes quality and reliable devices, for example my dad used the iPhone 4 until last September, he had it for years not deciding to get a new one until the OS was outdated and could not be updated any more. Android has great OS and customization and thats what everyone talks about, but thats not what everyone needs. For some people a phone is to talk, text, take a photo or two, check email and thats it. Its the idea that its simple, lasts for years and won’t get viruses. So yeah it will succeed like all apple products

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I like Apple’s attention to detail (hardware and software), the frequent software updates, and if you have other devices, they all work seamlessly together (airdrop, airplay, continuity). Android is not as polished as iOS. Apple also sold me on the idea that they make the hardware and he said software, and that a tweaked version of the same software isn’t meant to be whole bunch of other manufacturers’ phones. Therefore not only are there more apps on iOS, but they are also more optimized (they’re also often better and recieve updates first). As for those people that switched to Android and then reverted back, I’d relate it to the power of the Apple ecosystem. Honestly a lot of them probably have reasons they really care about but either not obvious enough/too difficult to explain or are afraid the person who asked them would call them stupid.

Personally, I’m also in love with iOS animations :heart_eyes:

@AnkerOfficial why do you choose iPhones over Android phones?

I’m kind of hoping that the iPhone SE gets an update this fall so I can move back to that form factor. I want to upgrade from my iPhone 6, but I don’t want to lose the aux port.

iPhone 6 should be perfect for another year at least. I do not recommend switching to SE. If they come out with SE 2 (which I doubt they will), it probably won’t have a headphone jack either. Besides, the SE is way too small. Heck, the iPhone 6 is pretty darn small for my liking. Either wait a year and see if you still need a headphone jack on your next phone or switch to Android. :grinning::wink:

I have attended an event in Canon where a guest speaker, Ron Nixon, a cyber security expert, told us that it is a myth that apple is harder to hack than an android.

He himself worked as a hacker and cyber security expert during his time and told us that the only reason why apple seems “safer” is because of its small market share. He said it is not worth the effort as a hacker to try and hack apple users when the android market is 85%-89%. It just doesnt make sense from a hacker’s business perspective to go for a lower market share when a lions share is that of an android.

Also keep in mind that as bigger the market share becomes, the more fragmented the OS is and the easier it is for hackers to exploit those on super old OS on android. Apple can tout all they want about having 90% people on the latest OS but they do not have a 85%+ market share worth of users to try to streamline their OS to.

Because I’ve become accustomed to using iOS system…:joy:

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Inertia.

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Likewise! It made getting a new phone more exciting because you had to wait the full two years (or most of it, at least) before you could get a new phone. C’est la vie.

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That is hilarious! LOL!

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I just moved moved from iPhone 6s to a new android a few days ago, and I’m really pleased with the features Apple staunchly refuses to add to their phones. Moreover, Apple’s software has gotten more and more proprietary with every new OS and device release. I finally broke down when I was just trying to transfer some photos to a computer and Apple’s stupid autosync deleted ALL of my music. Amateur mistake, I know, but sometimes I’m trying to do things quickly and Apple gets in the way every time. So will iPhone 8 succeed? I don’t know, but they sure lost me with their most recent releases and their creeping control of my stuff.

Also I saved several hundred dollars, got a faster processor, more RAM, more storage, more customization, and an overall better experience with the new android. Agreed iPhone 8 is not worth the asking price. None of their hardware is anymore.

For reference, I have a macbook air 11", iPad Air II, 27" iMac, and various old iphones, etc. I’ve been a Mac user for years and this is the beginning of my transition away from their stuff. They are no longer innovators, and their design culture is myopic and cultish, designed to extract as much money from their customers as possible. Many will keep on playing that game, but I gave up. Bye Apple!

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Welcome to the wonderful world of Android :sunglasses:

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Eventually Apple lost you hahahaha :joy:

The step before a changed mind is an open mind. When I show an Android device to an iPhone user, the initial reaction is inertia - it is just different - and re-learning effort. So then I end up having to demo and educate, then they see it is just different, but not necessarily worse, and then talk about cost. Ultimately you can run the same app in the same number of finger movements, for roughly half the cost.

Then, talk about SIM-only cellular plans, and an unlocked phone. Typically you can buy the phone outright and negotiate / find a SIM-only deal and then the monthly costs from say $70-$100 to $30-$40. At any time if one carrier has an offer, you can then be just a phone call away from taking that without any lock in. For example I run 4 lines with T-Mobile with 10GB/month/line data and I pay $135 total incl tax.

Android devices are between $100 and $1000 so one approach is to buy two Android devices and move your SIM across as the situation needs. In the same way you’d not wear your best clothes in a dirty environment, you’d take your cheaper phone as a backup phone.

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