What adblocker are you using?

If you use an adblocker, then that magazine won’t be able to make the money it needs to continue making articles that you enjoy to read.

Halt!
Those who need such advertising should read those magazines without any adblocking.
And may be these wanted to get influenced by propaganda.

Not me, so I dont care if they make any money or not.
If the magazine got bankrupt its not because of that deactivation of the adblockers.
Its because of the loss of paying subscribers for the printed and online editions caused by bad journalism.

Correct, and that’s a good thing, as the amount of content goes down, the less talented people do something else, the remaining talent density increases, the quality increases, and then you pay for it.

How do you pay? Easy.

The goods you buy are lower cost, because you’re not paying for marketing department and advertising.

Win win.

Currently many of what you pay for has an overhead of the marketing cost built into the product price. So not only are you being manipulated to want something, you’re paying to be manipulated. And products you buy, at a higher cost are worse products, because you’re being manipulated based on the talents of the manipulators (marketing people) rather than the talent of the engineer.

If this sounds all rubbish, then consider branded Vs non-brand goods in shops. The branded ones cost more as they have to recover the cost of marketing to build a brand.

I have used both Adblock Plus & other variants as well as uBlock Origin / Nano Adblocker/

uBlock & Nano are lightweight compared to the Adblock XXYYZZ extensions… mostly Adblock makes chrome as well as Edge crawl , while same number of filters on uBlock or Nano, the browsers work quite ok.

I did not know that. New knowledge!

You miss my point. If you think that ONLY low quality content has ads, then you don’t need an adblocker…

Mhm. I think so.
The more light weighted, the better is the performance of the browser.
If using an old device (processor) you have to keep an eye on that.
That’s one of the reason I never will accept the overburdened OS of Apple and MS.

its always a game of cat and mouse, there will be people trying to block ads and then there will be companies / developers / programmers trying to make improvements to defeat the adblocker.

If I feel I don’t need to watch an ad, it is on my network / my device, I have all the right in the world to block it, and the content provider can do what they want to defeat me :rofl:

don’t these companies use our browsing data , choices, location data, for analytics and making $$$$

So what is the big deal?

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GENAU (Exactly) :smiley:
But meanwhile those adblock developers are getting more and more the cats! :rofl:

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Any and All … details hidden in fine text which we click “agree” or “accept”

Mostly Chrome as a browser and Facebook apps / facebook page, which get all kind of detail.

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ADguard is a good option, they have iOS app (Adguard Pro) and adblock DNS services for general as well as Family protection, blocking ads (though they will / may collect the data for your browsing habit)

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I’ve been using it for quite some time and haven’t had any issues with it :+1:

Back in the early days of rooting (think jailbreak) I used to use Adaway, that was a great ad blocker

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yes, the apps are good, and they are mostly local to the device. I mostly meant for the Adguard DNS, since all your web / streaming / download requests are sent to this DNS server and they can collect details (though they say they don’t :zipper_mouth_face: )

backwards causality. If you visit a site with ads, the site receives revenue. That site could instead get revenue from being sufficiently valuable information you pay for it.

So ads lower quality.

Your argument is to avoid sites with ads. Correct.

Let’s put it another way, say, NetFlix, you pay for it, no ads. NetFlix then don’t have to pay advertisers, so they have money to make quality content. Virtuous circle.

Yes I loved Adaway, I only bought devices with unlockable bootloaders so could root. But what happened was Google Pay would stop working.

I used also xposed and minminguard, it blocked pop-up ads in free apps.

Answer - well use just a phone for talking and paying, and use a rooted tablet for content.

To use a parallel argument. Television.

There used to be just a few TV channels, in UK it used to be just two channels, BBC1 & BBC2. You paid an annual fee - TV license. The content was good. You got 1 hour of entertainment per 1 hour of clock.

Then more channels added, they were funded through advertisement. Then instead of 1 hour of content per 1 hour on the clock, you got 50 minutes. Then as another TV channel arose, the revenue the brands earned per ad dropped as now more ads required (a viewer can only watch 1 channel at a time). So that mean Ad revenue per channel falls. Answer was then each TV channel then gave you 42 minutes of content per 1 hour on the clock. Spiral down in quality.

Then see what happens with, say, TV News. There is only so much interesting pertinent worthy news in reality, so initially you’d have say 30 minutes of news on one non-News channel.

Then as Ads come along, you have to spread the news out longer (ads breaking up the stories) and to make people not change channel during Ads, you must sensationalise the next story to keep people glued.

Not only is “coming up next” said every few minutes (spiral down, content deteriotes as above), you then get they have to sensationalise, so exaggerate the subset of reality to make you watch their channel (and not switch off, or change channel) as they need your eyes glued to “The aliens have killed my dog, coming up next!”. So then you then have an information service basically tell you falsities to become entertainment, the more exaggerated the more successful they become. So Ads now cause you to hear things which are not true pretending to be true. Then society worsens as you get people who then pick the TV channel which aligns with their preconceived false notions, they change from channels which tell them they are wrong and to those which confirm they are correct. Previously everyone heard the same thing, now they hear what they want to hear. So then you get biased media specific TV channels, that fuels then divisions in society - polarisation - so communities get worse.

So ads raise prices (paying for marketing people instead of engineers), lower quality (as you buy based on how well you were hoodwinked, not by word of mouth on quality), you get less good content and you’re being lied to in a worse world.

The only beneficiary with Ads is marketing jobs. Not engineers, farmer, scientists, doctors, etc.

So, no, Ads are not good. Adblockers make the world better.

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This is true. Nice to see some members agreeing to it :slight_smile:

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I was unaware they existed. Thanks. Moved to ublock Origin + Tampermonkey + filter list, tried it on the nag sites and works fine so far, but in general, sites with ads per se are not what I tend to use, or want to use.

Bad journalism is caused by Advertisement.

Humans have a cognitive bias to focus on what matters more to them, e.g. farmers notice the weather more.

That means you can only get a human’s attention by focused delivery of key information, above a threshold the person stops listening / attention. This is an evolutionary advantage, reality is too big and complex to notice all of it. This is how, for example, magicians do their tricks.

So if you only told the truth, you could only tell so much truth as too much bores the listener. So good journalism, by nature of humans, must be small in quantity.

But Ads need lots of content, and as there is only so much interesting+true information, you have to make up exaggerated and false statements.

So Ads lead to bad journalism, lies, and told things which are not true.

I also use Tubemate. It downloads Youtube content, so I can watch / listen offline, I do a lot of walking (and now biking) and listen to stuff. There used to be good podcasts, but a lot is moving to Youtube.

Without adblocking I suffer a resource-heavy animation:

With Adblocker, I don’t and the world is better for it.

Without Adblock:

With Adblock:

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Those were the good days. I used to use a couple of Xposed modules, mostly for theming. But I guess as Google Pay and Samsung Pay become more available on newer phones they had to have a secured bootloader.
Nowadays as far as I know, if I was to root my S10+ I wouldn’t be able to use Samsung Pay (and I use it every day pretty much).

I actually thought about this, I had a Note 4 (beast of a phone) and it was rooted but eventually the motherboard went bad and to fix that issue I was looking at a $200 charge. So I just kinda gave up on a rooted phone.

:heart:

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They probably shake their heads when they go through my porn history

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Not only.
Meanwhile its caused by “cut and paste”.
The journalists are copying a message from a news agency without doing any
investigations by their own.