Very nice watches.
I had an old Seiko 5 auto years ago, all stainless steel, with a solid back. Being a daft yoof (about 19) I considered it an old man's watch, n sold it (bought for £30 in 1989, sold for £50 in 1993) to a friend who liked it, and swapped his addidas watch (sports style, 50wr, all metal). I noticed it kept gaining time, so took to a horologists, who told me it was a Swiss commando workings and corrected the tick-tock, kept that one for years. Sold it for £80¡ Woohoo
This one now, I got by upgrading the Argos way (Argos, a UK catalogue shop gives you 30 days no quibble guarantee, and returns)
So by buying n upgrading, and doing so several times, but only paying an extra £20 each time, I was able to get the citizen. lol
Thanks my fairy godmother!